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January 17, 2006
In Their Own Words
Someone asked me the other day why I spend so much space here ragging on Bruce Gagnon and other anti-space nutters. Here is one indication -- a rare discussion thread reproduced in its entirety from GNAW-N-PIS' globenet discussion group, kicked off by another apparently "nasty" email to Bruce... (Emphasis and comments in italics mine.) Date: Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:48 am A sample of the many e-mails we have gotten in the last two days as the media began to focus on the launch of New Horizons. We are getting a huge number of hits on our web site. BruceNotice that Bruce, in presenting this email, evidently thought no further comment was neccessary. Read through the prism of an anti-space, indeed anti-human worldview, it does indeed speak for itself -- as one man's sick confession of the most detestible urges: spreading human civilization as a form of "manifest destiny", exploiting natural resources for human benefit, enthusiasm for nuclear power, and (though poorly expressed) a cherishing of reason. Date: Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:45 am Just heard a KCOY 12 of the California Central Coast on the plutonium protest issues. The reporter clearly acknowledged that plutonium is the most dangerous substance known to hmankind. Because of this, people will protest plutonium existence in any area. Thus, every human being has the right to be concerned about plutonium whether or not you or others agree. While you wouldn't want to give your child a chew toy made of plutonium, it is not "the most dangerous substance known to hmankind [sic]". Arsenic, cyanide, and even caffeine are more chemically toxic than an equivalent mass of plutonium, according to this site, and being primarily an alpha emitter, proximity to plutonium is unlikely to cause any harmful radiological health effects...it is only a problem if it enters the body via inhalation, ingestion, or contamination of an open wound. I don't know if it's possible (or neccessary) to lampoon that bit about "harmful chemicals and molecules"...all substances can be toxic under certain circumstances, even something as pure and natural as dihydrogen monoxide. At the risk of making the science equivalent of a "chickenhawk" argument here, why should anyone take seriously the demands, based on chemistry-related matters, of someone without even a high-school understanding of chemistry? While Sheila certainly has the right to be as "concerned" about plutonium as she wishes, whether or not that concern is based on a rational appreciation of the facts, she has no right to expect her demand for a halt to space exploration to be met when that demand is founded on guffaw-inducing ignorance. Next, a globenet member takes issue with Sheila's demand...but not, unfortunately, because it is drool-cup stupid: Date: Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:43 am This shocking break with groupthink prompts a kumbayaa from GNAW-N-PIS Director Loring Wirbel, patiently reassuring everyone (unneccessarily, one might have thought) that GN is opinion-diverse and groupthink isn't in fact a requirement for membership...before explaining why advocacy of things like space settlement is unacceptable wrongthink, and blaming European settlers who shared similar ideas for a biological cataclysm of the like not seen since the Permian-Triassic Extinction: Date: Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:41 am Jim and group, This is a step beyond the science über alles mentality that it would seem at first to reflect, from someone who has no interest in space beyond ensuring that humans don't go there: humans are bad, so don't send humans...send robots, but only if it can be done in some cheap and environmentally friendly way...and don't ever plan on actually using any of the knowledge gained by this exploration for any constructive purpose (especially if making money is involved), until human nature has somehow changed to suit our socialist utopian tastes. I abhor this kind of foolishness, and I don't want to see it spread. That's why I rag on them. Someone's got to do it. Posted by T.L. James on January 17, 2006 09:21 PM
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"we need to get rid of some of our "exploit, acquire, and tool-use"" WTF?? Those three things are what has given these people the modern world that they currently live in. I'm sorry, but their ancestors that figured out how to make fire, and decided to leave the Saharra would be in an uproar if they could see what their offspring have become. Posted by: RobW at January 18, 2006 05:07 AM "That's why I rag on them. Someone's got to do it." Well gobless you and keep; I was subscribed to that mail list (curiosity) and could not stand the bile, nonsense and krep in my mailbox. Life is too short for foolishness and so on. I did raise a question about a particular bit of foolishness and for my trouble was branded a spy, told to shut my mouth because the group consensus was that nukes were e-vil 2+2=5 and how dare I work against the group-think. As I said, krep. Posted by: Brian at January 18, 2006 11:34 AM |
